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	This is in the context of groups. Like, "group consent" or "group consensus".		This is in the context of groups. Like, "group consent" or "group consensus".

	= Consent =		== Consent ==

	Personally, I define consent as "I do not [[:object]]". (Not to be confused with enthusiastic consent.) So a vote that results in group consent would contain of people who either vote yes, abstain from the vote, or are missing from the vote. It cannot contain any "no" votes.		Personally, I define consent as "I do not [[:object]]". (Not to be confused with enthusiastic consent.) So a vote that results in group consent would contain of people who either vote yes, abstain from the vote, or are missing from the vote. It cannot contain any "no" votes.
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	However, in [[:communities]], if others [[:object]] (i.e. don't consent) to something you're doing, and you [[:object]] back, that's "grounds" for the fragmentation of the group. Which is why [[:tolerance]] is important.		However, in [[:communities]], if others [[:object]] (i.e. don't consent) to something you're doing, and you [[:object]] back, that's "grounds" for the fragmentation of the group. Which is why [[:tolerance]] is important.

	= Consensus =		== Consensus ==

	Consensus, then, is that everyone must vote yes. Harder to do, given that simply [[:tolerating]] a group decision is not enough; you have to want it too.		Consensus, then, is that everyone must vote yes. Harder to do, given that simply [[:tolerating]] a group decision is not enough; you have to want it too.

	= Related =		== Related ==

	* [[:Communities]]		* [[:Communities]]
	* [[:Cooperatives]]		* [[:Cooperatives]]
	* [[https:''www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy/\|Sociocracy]]		* [[https:''www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy/\|Sociocracy]]

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	Consensus, then, is that everyone must vote yes. Harder to do, given that simply [[:tolerating]] a group decision is not enough; you have to want it too.		Consensus, then, is that everyone must vote yes. Harder to do, given that simply [[:tolerating]] a group decision is not enough; you have to want it too.


	= Related =		= Related =

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	~~= Consent and Consensus =~~

	This is in the context of groups. Like, "group consent" or "group consensus".		This is in the context of groups. Like, "group consent" or "group consensus".

	== Consent ==		= Consent =

	Personally, I define consent as "I do not [[:object]]". (Not to be confused with enthusiastic consent.) So a vote that results in group consent would contain of people who either vote yes, abstain from the vote, or are missing from the vote. It cannot contain any "no" votes.		Personally, I define consent as "I do not [[:object]]". (Not to be confused with enthusiastic consent.) So a vote that results in group consent would contain of people who either vote yes, abstain from the vote, or are missing from the vote. It cannot contain any "no" votes.
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	Consent is not the end all be all, especially in [[:spaces]]. I do not need the consent of others in the space to be gay, to dress a certain way, to remember things that I see, or to tell others the things that I remember. Yes, "I do not consent to see gay people in public" is a real and serious argument, which is why I don't see "I do not consent" as a conversation-ender in [[:spaces]]. (Note: this does not apply to sex; remember that this paragraph only applies to [[:spaces]], and sex is more of a [[:community]] thing, specifically a [[:community]] of usually 2 people).		Consent is not the end all be all, especially in [[:spaces]]. I do not need the consent of others in the space to be gay, to dress a certain way, to remember things that I see, or to tell others the things that I remember. Yes, "I do not consent to see gay people in public" is a real and serious argument, which is why I don't see "I do not consent" as a conversation-ender in [[:spaces]]. (Note: this does not apply to sex; remember that this paragraph only applies to [[:spaces]], and sex is more of a [[:community]] thing, specifically a [[:community]] of usually 2 people).

	However, in [[:communities]], if others [[:object]] (i.e. don't consent) to something you're doing, and you [[:object]] back, that's "grounds" for the fragmentation of the group. Which is why [[:tolerance]] is important.		However, in [[:communities]], if others [[:object]] (i.e. don't consent) to something you're doing, and you [[:object]] back, that's "grounds" for the fragmentation of the group. Which is why [[:tolerance]] is important.
	== Consensus ==
			= Consensus =

	Consensus, then, is that everyone must vote yes. Harder to do, given that simply [[:tolerating]] a group decision is not enough; you have to want it too.		Consensus, then, is that everyone must vote yes. Harder to do, given that simply [[:tolerating]] a group decision is not enough; you have to want it too.


	== Related ==		= Related =

	* [[:Communities]]		* [[:Communities]]
	* [[:Cooperatives]]		* [[:Cooperatives]]
	* [[https:''www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy/\|Sociocracy]]		* [[https:''www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy/\|Sociocracy]]

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= Consent and Consensus =

This is in the context of groups. Like, "group consent" or "group consensus".

== Consent ==

Personally, I define consent as "I do not [[:object]]". (Not to be confused with enthusiastic consent.) So a vote that results in group consent would contain of people who either vote yes, abstain from the vote, or are missing from the vote. It cannot contain any "no" votes.

This is possible in [[:communities]] but gets harder as it becomes more like a [[:space]]. Eventually, irreconcilable [[:objections]] lead to the fragmentation of the group, which naturally keeps it small. That's if no one wants to be ruled.

Consent is not the end all be all, especially in [[:spaces]]. I do not need the consent of others in the space to be gay, to dress a certain way, to remember things that I see, or to tell others the things that I remember. Yes, "I do not consent to see gay people in public" is a real and serious argument, which is why I don't see "I do not consent" as a conversation-ender in [[:spaces]]. (Note: this does not apply to sex; remember that this paragraph only applies to [[:spaces]], and sex is more of a [[:community]] thing, specifically a [[:community]] of usually 2 people).

However, in [[:communities]], if others [[:object]] (i.e. don't consent) to something you're doing, and you [[:object]] back, that's "grounds" for the fragmentation of the group. Which is why [[:tolerance]] is important.
== Consensus ==

Consensus, then, is that everyone must vote yes. Harder to do, given that simply [[:tolerating]] a group decision is not enough; you have to want it too.

== Related ==

* [[:Communities]]
* [[:Cooperatives]]
* [[https:''www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy/|Sociocracy]]